Rogan warns US faces population collapse as birthrates, fertility fall

Podcaster Joe Rogan spoke with epidemiologist Shanna H. Swan, PhD, on Tuesday about how chemical and cultural factors are destroying America’s birth rate.

Swan, an environmental epidemiologist and author of “Count Down,” spoke with Rogan about how widespread exposure to endocrine-disrupting chemicals in plastic, food, water and everyday products has contributed to fertility decline in modern society.

Rogan noted that treatments such as in vitro fertilization are becoming an increasingly common issue, especially that “older people, you know, are putting their careers aside in their 30s, deciding it’s time to have children, and they’re worried it’s too late.”

“But as I listen to you talk about it, it becomes clear that this is just part of the problem and not the bulk of it,” Rogan said. “The biggest part seems to be that we are being poisoned, and we are doing this because of the modern world we live in where so much of your life depends on plastic.”

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Swan went on to tell Rogan that in modern societies “fertility is down the toilet”; So much so that it was once the norm for couples to have five children in the 1960s, but now in places like South Korea that number has dropped to an average of 0.88 children per couple.

“They are in danger of complete population extinction,” Rogan said.

Swan noted that many articles have talked about this topic, but few are willing to talk about the role that exposure to toxic chemicals plays in harming not only human fertility but the fertility of other species as well.

“Animals do not choose to have their children later or postpone childbearing,” he warned.

“They have big careers,” Rogan sarcastically joked. “The beavers are trying to build a dam. They don’t have time for children.”

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Podcaster Joe Rogan spoke with epidemiologist Shanna H. Swan. Swan talked about how human fertility is affected by the various toxic chemicals they are exposed to, as well as members of the animal kingdom facing parallel problems. (iStock)

One study they cited showed that crocodiles were affected by chemical pollution, making their genitals abnormally small and their eggs less durable, in line with increasing problems with testosterone and fertility in humans.

“This makes total sense,” Rogan said. “But what doesn’t make sense is how little attention is being paid to this.”

He continued, “In a redundant society, you would think that America is also facing a potential population collapse. People don’t think about it, but our reproductive numbers are not being reproduced. Yes. They’re down quite a bit and they’re not at the level we need to maintain our population.”

“Isn’t that… you know, the normal pattern of the population?” Swan said while making a pyramid shape with her hands. “So it’s up here, there’s not a lot of people, and down here there’s a lot, lots of people.”

“Many people are living longer,” he continued. “But there are very few people here, and that means those below must support those here – “

“—But there are not enough of them,” Rogan said, finishing his sentence.

“But there are not enough of them,” he admitted.

Rogan was amazed at how widespread this issue was, noting that they had discussed these issues 5 years ago, but little had been done to address them in the intervening years. However, he said that these problems affect all humanity.

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Podcaster Joe Rogan is struck by the scale of worldwide fertility and birth rate problems in modern societies; He was wary of the dwindling number of young people who would soon support much larger numbers of older people. (Chris Unger/Zuffa LLC via Getty Images)

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