I have no relationship with Trump, Brazil’s President Lula tells BBC

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula Da Silva said that in a special interview with BBC, there is no “any relationship with US President Donald Trump.

Lula often criticized Trump, but this is the clearest signal, but because she thinks that the communication between the US and the US equivalent is now broken.

Although the US was a surplus with Brazil, Donald Trump brought 50% tariff to Brazilian goods in July, and hearing a trial of Brazil’s right -wing President Jair Bolsonaro as a trigger.

Lula described tariffs as “extremely political” and said that US consumers would encounter higher prices for Brazilian goods.

The tariffs brought by Trump hit Brazilian exports to the United States, such as coffee and beef that Lula will be more expensive: “The American people will pay the mistakes that President Trump in the relationship with Brazil.”

The two leaders never speak to each other directly. Why didn’t he just try to get the phone or establish a relationship, President Lula said: “I have never tried this call because he never wanted to speak.”

Trump said that Lula “could always call her”. However, Lula insisted that the Trump administration members “did not want to talk”.

He told the BBC that he learned the US tariffs from the Brazilian newspapers.

Referring to Trump, the US president said, “He did not communicate in a civilized way. [the tariffs] Portal – on social media. “

When asked how to define his relationship with the US equivalent, he said, “No relationship.”

Lula said that their weak relations with the US leader were exceptional and former US presidents, British Prime Minister, EU, China, Ukraine, Venezuela and “all countries of the world”.

This year, the Brazilian President participated in the celebration of the two -year celebrations in Russia this year and did not cut his ties with President Putin. He asked who he had a better relationship with him – Trump or Putin – the latter defended his ties with the latter and said that they both set up when they were “in the previous times” when they were president.

“I have no relationship with Trump because I wasn’t the president when Trump was first elected.

In addition, if Trump passes at the United Nations General Assembly next week, he added that he would “greet him because I’m a civilized citizen”, but Trump could be “the United States President”. [but] He is not the emperor of the world! “

The BBC approached the White House to comment on Lula’s Trump criticism, but had not yet received a response during publishing.

He also spoke about his predecessor Jair Bolsonaro in his office sentenced last week.

The majority of the justice in the Supreme Court of Brazil found guilty of planning a coup after losing the election of his former president to Lula and sentenced him to 27 years in prison.

Lula, BBC’ye Bolsonaro and assistant conspirators “damaging the country, trying the coup and planning my death,” he said.

By referring to the appeal of Bolsonaro’s lawyers, Lula said that Bolsonaro would “continue to present his defense” but hoped that he was “guilty for now”.

He also criticized Trump for “invented the facts”, claiming that Bolsonaro was persecuted and that the US leader said that he was a lack of democracy in Brazil.

Lula also told the BBC that Trump would be tried if the January 6 Capitol rebellions were in Brazil rather than the United States.

In a comprehensive BBC interview, he defended the reform of the United Nations.

Permanent members of the Five countries – UN Security Councils – criticized that decisions have the power to veto, and argued that this has invested in favor of those who won the Second World War, except for nations representing billions of people, such as Brazil, Germany, India, Japan and African countries.

As a result, the UN said that the UN “does not have the power to solve conflicts” and that five permanent members have taken “one -sided” decisions to go to war.

While calling for a “democratic” UN, he defended the ongoing alliances with Russia and China with two countries where unjust elections and violations of human rights were documented.

While Brazil was proud of the ongoing Russian oil purchases, Russia charges the war in Ukraine, while Brazil is one of the first countries to condemn Russia to the invasion of Ukraine, and that Brazil did not finance Russia, because we need to buy oil from Russia, because we need to buy oil from China or the United States.

The UN said that if it were “work”, the Gaza war, which he described as the Ukrainian war or “war” would not be “genocide”.

The BBC also asked President Lula about the COP30 Climate Summit of November and hosted world leaders in Brazil Amazon city Belém.

At home, he encountered criticism about his support for the discovery drilling for oil close to the mouth of the Brazilian President Amazon River.

Brazil’s state oil company Petrobas and other companies have purchased blocks for exploration and are waiting for a license.

His Environmental Minister Marina Silva strongly opposed plans, and some protection groups are afraid that they can risk oil spills in waters close to Amazon.

President Lula insisted on following the law in Brazil’s research, and if there was any oil spill, “Brazil would be responsible and responsible and will be interested in any problem.”

Fossil supports a fuel -free world, but “this moment has not yet come,” he added.

“I want to know any country that is ready to make energy transition and can give up fossil fuels.” However, he proved that the issue was discussed with left wing voters.

79 -year -old Lula, 2026 Presidential elections to work to be re -elected to work yet, he said.

He said his health and party would determine whether there was a political opportunity and whether he had the chance to win.

Lula recently shifted to the polls, but Trump received a support after bringing tariffs to Brazil.

He concluded by saying that his legacy includes reducing hunger, reducing unemployment and growing income of working classes.